Deviation output power 150mW = 100mW

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13 May 2015 15:55 - 13 May 2015 16:03 #32498 by vlad_vy
Deviation output power 150mW = 100mW was created by vlad_vy
I measured output power for Devo 8s at antenna connector (with ImmersionRC RF Power Meter):
1) Walkera original firmware and maximum output power +20dBm = 65.2 mW
2) Deviation firmware and maximum output power 150mW = 65.2 mW

Therefore, Deviation maximum output power 150mW actually equal 100mW.
Last edit: 13 May 2015 16:03 by vlad_vy.

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13 May 2015 17:17 #32510 by aMax
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Nice to know, still wondering where the 60mW setting :whistle: ..disappeared .....

Devo7e, TaranisQ X7, R9M , 4in1 MM, Futaba FC18plusV3.2 & DFT/FLD-02

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13 May 2015 17:27 #32512 by PhracturedBlue
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I haven't looked at it recently, but it used to be that Walkera only used the 20dBm setting, whereas Deviation allows for 22dBM. In the end it depends on the amplifier though as to whether you get any extra gain. Have you checked Deviation at 100mW as well? Also it is possible something changed, I'd be interested in if the same is true in 4.0.1. Of course, i have the ability to measure it myself, but I doubt I'll get to it anytime soon.

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13 May 2015 17:54 #32514 by vlad_vy
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With Deviation every power setting greatly change the output power.

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13 May 2015 18:16 #32515 by aMax
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Ok, but what is it at the 100mW setting?

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13 May 2015 18:39 - 14 May 2015 14:24 #32518 by vlad_vy
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Devo 8s

150mW = 65.21mW = 18.00dBm
100mW = 37.28mW = 15.71dBm
30mW = 12.51mW = 10.97dBm
10mW = 3.27mW = 5.14dBm
3mW = 1.11mW = 0.45dBm
1mW = 285.8uW = -5.44dBm
300uW = 58.08uW = -12.36dBm
100uW = 16.29uW = -17.88dBm
Last edit: 14 May 2015 14:24 by vlad_vy.

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13 May 2015 19:58 #32524 by aMax
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:woohoo:

..thats's for your 8s, right?
Would be interesting to collect results for some other TX.

Please Seyby, would you please take your ImmersionRC RF Power Meter and do this with your Devo 10 and on the 7e for the NRF?

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14 May 2015 04:20 - 14 May 2015 04:22 #32544 by vlad_vy
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Results will be the same, since they have identical modules, except Devo 7e. Also, it is not simple for other Tx without antenna SMA connector.
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14 May 2015 11:05 - 14 May 2015 15:44 #32552 by aMax
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Basically you are right, but it may vary on technical shape.
.... 65mW is not bad at all considering the FrSky DHT (DJT&DFT) modules you can buy for different TX, are even 60mW.
But we should stop comparing the Devo with the Spektrum TX, especially the US version, as they can have up to 230mW.

just my 2c..

EDIT:
EUROPE Version...
www.modellbau-tester.de/wp-content/uploa...um-DX7-EU-Fake-7.jpg
www.modellbau-tester.de/wp-content/uploa...um-DX7-EU-Fake-8.jpg
www.modellbau-tester.de/wp-content/uploa...um-DX7-EU-Fake-5.jpg

Devo7e, TaranisQ X7, R9M , 4in1 MM, Futaba FC18plusV3.2 & DFT/FLD-02
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14 May 2015 13:45 - 14 May 2015 14:25 #32555 by vlad_vy
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Devo 12s

150mW = 74.38mW = 18.71dBm
100mW = 39.81mW = 16.00dBm
30mW = 13.77mW = 11.39dBm
10mW = 3.85mW = 5.86dBm
3mW = 1.32mW = 1.21dBm
1mW = 348.3uW = -4.58dBm
300uW = 68.08uW = -11.67dBm
100uW = 16.86uW = -17.73dBm

With Deviation release v4.01 nothing changed, the same results.
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14 May 2015 19:25 - 14 May 2015 19:26 #32577 by Durete
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Sorry for the off topic guys.
I have an old Spektrum DX7 bought some years ago imported from a small Hobby shop in the States.
In theory, my DX7 is a USA version, but the FCC ID is not the latest with 300mw power output.





Anyone could explain me what's the power output from my DX7?

Sorry for the off topic guys ;)
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14 May 2015 20:32 #32580 by PhracturedBlue
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22dBm is roughly 150mW

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14 May 2015 21:13 #32588 by Durete
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Thanks PB :)
Strange power output. Not the USA version power output (300mw) but not EU version (about 100mw)
I guess this radio probably was version 1 or something similar ;)

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17 Mar 2016 12:36 - 17 Mar 2016 12:57 #44707 by Thomas.Heiss
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Could anyone measure the power output on Devo 10 (black)?

Update: Cesco2 seems so:
www.deviationtx.com/forum/3-feedback-que...=none&start=60#29784

Cesco2 values are different:
"Devo 12: Output power is 85mw on the 150mw setting (immersionrc meter) and surface range is around 250m with dsm2 or dsmx setting, 7 channels, no telemetry.
The Devo10 has 60mw output, 150mw setting, dsm2, 7 channel."

vs Vlad_vy:
Devo 8s 150mW = 65.21mW = 18.00dBm
Devo 12s 150mW = 74.38mW = 18.71dBm


I believe my Spektrum DX8 had ~18.x dBm (below <20dbm) written on the HF module label when I had opened it.

How does the 100mw/150mw setting work in the DeviationTX HF module code?
Where does this labeling texts come from originally?

If "150mw setting" != 150mw/>20dbm real output power, isn't there any way to CORRECT the labeling within the firmware?
You know about EU/DE regulations, ETSI 1.8.1, declaration of conformity for FHSS & stuff and max 100mw/20dbm output power.


Why do you even want to give the people talking negative about DeviationTX another additional argument for labeling settings "150mw" when it is not that output power in reality?

I can remember one older thread where it was asked if you maybe could simply remove the "150mw" setting at all for "a more compliant EU" DeviationTX version :-) Well, forget about this with newer ETSI 1.8.1/1.9.1 FHSS class regulations...

Thomas
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17 Mar 2016 14:55 - 17 Mar 2016 14:59 #44715 by FDR
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He measured the electrical output power, but the regulation is about the radiated power, which includes the characteristics of the antenna too, and is quite frequency dependent.
See the FCC measurements for example for the 8S:
apps.fcc.gov/eas/GetApplicationAttachment.html?id=1630785

EDIT: Strange, but the link doesn't work, only when it is opened from the FCC page:
apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/ViewExhib...3D&fcc_id=S29DEVO-8S
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18 Mar 2016 19:35 #44799 by saidem
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It would be interesting to have also for Devo 7E and Devo 10.
Thank you for your help. ;)

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18 Mar 2016 21:26 #44803 by FDR
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You can find the measurements for all DEVO transmitters if you search for the Walkera grantee code, wich is S29
www.fcc.gov/general/fcc-id-search-page

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19 Mar 2016 11:07 - 19 Mar 2016 11:18 #44825 by saidem
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Hello,
I just thank you for all the valuable information that helps me a lot. I think I'll resolder the module output to put an RG178 coax with SMA connector to place the antenna outside of TX. I also saw that the Devos Devention were Walkera, in fact I thought Devention was a trademark.
BTW my new antenna is 2DB and the older is <3 DB, do you think it will go?
Thanks again.
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01 Jun 2016 07:56 - 01 Jun 2016 11:12 #49708 by Thomas.Heiss
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@Mod: Please make this thread STICKY (always on top)
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01 Jun 2016 11:34 #49723 by RoGuE_StreaK
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FDR wrote: You can find the measurements for all DEVO transmitters if you search for the Walkera grantee code, wich is S29
www.fcc.gov/general/fcc-id-search-page

Interesting; the RF summary says the 6, with a 0dbi antenna, has a peak power of 14.5dbm, while with 3dbi antennas the 8s and 10 give 18.2 and 19.31 respectively.
No idea what that translates to, but seems to show a good case for swapping in a gained antenna if you are using a 6/6s.

Though also of interest is in the internal photos, which unsolder the shield of the modules, both the 8s and 10 are shown with black modules? And it seems from a brief comparison that the module shown for the 6 has three additional capacitors, which are left onpopulated on the ones shown for the 10 and 8s?

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