Help needed with delta plane model configuration.

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07 Oct 2013 15:54 - 07 Oct 2013 16:07 #14308 by EduardS
hi all, I'm new to deviation and trying to add some models to my Devo 8s transmitter. 3 and 4 channel 'normal' planes I have no problem with but now I am trying to configure a delta plane in elevon configuration. As a start I used a model configuration I found here, wing_elevons.ini, which has a mix with FMODE switch to realise a 3 step dual-rate. The problem I have is that I can't get both the elevator and aileron function corectly. Either I can get the elevator working correctly or the ailerons but not both at the same time. I have the atached the model configuration file and as it is now the elevator responds correctly but the ailerons wrong way around. Could anybody have a look at it and give me some clue what I should adjust to get both functions to work correctly?
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07 Oct 2013 16:45 - 07 Oct 2013 16:49 #14310 by vlad_vy
Most likely you need reverse one of elevon channels at channel properties. This is due to the arrangement of servos.
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08 Oct 2013 01:41 #14313 by sbstnp
Vlad is right.

Reverse ELE, check, revert to normal if not working.
Reverse AIL, check, revert to normal if not working.
Revese both and if still not working post a pic of your setup.

Devo 10 + 4in1
Spektrum Dx9
FrSky Taranis + TBS Crossfire

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08 Oct 2013 10:24 #14334 by EduardS
Thanks, will try this and let you know. I tried to reverse ELE and AIL but not both at the same time.

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08 Oct 2013 11:13 - 08 Oct 2013 11:26 #14335 by vlad_vy
In your model2.ini file is missing page 6 for ch3 mixer.

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Also, max scale can't be more than 60%. After mixing two inputs (ELE+AIL) with max travel it will be 120% servo travel. You need scales: 33%, 50%, 60%.

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08 Oct 2013 12:01 #14336 by EduardS
Thanks Vlad. I will try these out this evening after work.

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08 Oct 2013 21:09 - 08 Oct 2013 21:10 #14361 by EduardS
Okay, thanks to you guys I figured out what was wrong. I had to reverse scalar on all AIL and !AIL input. Now I use model3.ini from Vlad, reversed the scalars of the AIL and !AIL input and all works fine. Thanks for the help Vlad and sbstnp, now I know a little more how to program Deviation.
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09 Oct 2013 04:15 #14368 by FDR
Probably you could simply reverse the sources to !AIL and AIL (instead of AIL and !AIL with reversed scalars)...

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09 Oct 2013 19:41 #14393 by EduardS
You are quite right FDR, I just tried is and it has the same effect. Thanks for letting me know.

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10 Oct 2013 11:14 #14425 by vlad_vy
Probably you could simply swap servo connection to Rx CH2 and CH3.

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10 Oct 2013 11:32 - 10 Oct 2013 11:32 #14430 by EduardS
I did try that Vlad, but that didn't work.
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10 Oct 2013 15:51 #14457 by sbstnp
Post a pic of your setup. You must be doing something wrong if you performed all the previous steps correctly, sorry.

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10 Oct 2013 16:15 - 10 Oct 2013 16:23 #14462 by EduardS
It's working now, so why am I doing something wrong? My previous remark only addressed the suggestion of Vlad to swap the servo connectors from AIL and ELEV on the receiver. This didn't work, but the other suggestions did.

My setup is a pnf Sonic64 from Hobbyking. Can't do much wrong there.
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10 Oct 2013 16:42 #14466 by sbstnp
Apologies if it's working :)

I'm kinda of in a hurry lately, too much going on, I probably just skimmed the posts and assumed problem was not solved :)

EduardS wrote: It's working now, so why am I doing something wrong? My previous remark only addressed the suggestion of Vlad to swap the servo connectors from AIL and ELEV on the receiver. This didn't work, but the other suggestions did.

My setup is a pnf Sonic64 from Hobbyking. Can't do much wrong there.


Devo 10 + 4in1
Spektrum Dx9
FrSky Taranis + TBS Crossfire

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10 Oct 2013 17:19 #14472 by EduardS
No problem sbstnp, you were just trying to help.

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01 Jun 2014 15:43 #23825 by Teemu147
How i can chance throttle to channel 3 and elevator to channel 1 on this configuration? also can elev and aile dual rates have own switches?

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01 Jun 2014 17:10 #23827 by PhracturedBlue
Replied by PhracturedBlue on topic Help needed with delta plane model configuration.
You need to go to the mixer page, then the Re-order menu. On a Devo10 you get there by holding the R+ button. On the Devo8 it is the button at the top with 2 arrows.

Then move 1 down one-position and 3 up two-positions. the order should now be:
3
2
1
4
5

When you finish, the channels will be swapped.

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02 Jun 2014 12:08 #23847 by Teemu147
I have devo 10 but i dont get to re order menu. I go to main menu-> model menu -> mixer -> and hold R button right bottom corner of transmitter. Nothing hapens?

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02 Jun 2014 16:51 #23850 by PhracturedBlue
Replied by PhracturedBlue on topic Help needed with delta plane model configuration.
What version of Deviation are you running?
I forgot that this capability was only added after 4.0.1 (for the Devo10...Devo8 had it in 4.0.1)

You either need to:
a) upgrade to the nightly build to get this capability
b) write down all the parameters for channels 1 and 3, then change the values by hand
c) provide your model.ini and I can swap the channels for you.

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25 Feb 2015 18:18 #29114 by aritchie71
Replied by aritchie71 on topic Help needed with delta plane model configuration.

FDR wrote: Probably you could simply reverse the sources to !AIL and AIL (instead of AIL and !AIL with reversed scalars)...


Can someone please tell me which parts of the file I would need to change to make the ailerons work the right way round, I am very very new to this programming stuff, I have a plane sitting waiting to get into the sky but don't trust myself to remember that the ailerons are reversed!

Regards,

Andy.

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