FlySKy MOD Range Test

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16 Dec 2012 09:23 #4029 by harmony96
FlySKy MOD Range Test was created by harmony96
As soon as I received my devo8s yesterday, I added a flysky module from v929 radio to devo 8s.

V911 was successfully bound to devo8S!

However, it seems that a range is very short.

After bounding it at living room, if I go to a room, v911 lost a signal.

If there is only one wall between a radio and v911, the v911 lost a signal.

Is it normal?

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17 Dec 2012 13:23 - 17 Dec 2012 13:24 #4054 by kille
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Hi,
I have the same issue in my Devo 6 with the V911-Tx module.

I have testet with a transmitter module from the transmitter which came with the Xieda 9958. This module have no HF-Power amp. The transmitter range was with this module only a couple of cm.

With the Tx-module from the V911 Transmitter, I have a range from 2-3m.

So I don't know if I have done a mistake. But I think not.
What can I do?

EDIT:
I have tested the 2.0 and the 1.1.2 release.
Last edit: 17 Dec 2012 13:24 by kille.

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17 Dec 2012 13:31 #4055 by FDR
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I think it has more to do with the position of the module inside the tx, than the fw version.
Your hand, the metal handle, PCBs and wires inside the tx could have strong negative impact on the range...

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17 Dec 2012 13:44 #4056 by kille
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I have it tested with the module outside the transmitter, the range is a little bit longer but far far away from 10m.
The battery voltage is also the same with different output powers. With the Devo module falls the battery voltage.

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17 Dec 2012 14:10 #4057 by PhracturedBlue
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I did a range test on mine. Around 1000ft with the V911 Tx module inside the Tx. I am not aware of any reason why the range would be so short. In 2.0 we added the ability to change the transmit strength. I am not 100% sure that has been thoroughly tested. In 1.1 we used stock settings (which is what I did the range-test with) so if you don't get good range with the 1.1 release, I am at somewhat of a loss.

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17 Dec 2012 14:32 #4059 by kille
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Ok I test the 1.1 release today evening.

I have probably one more V911 Tx-module. I can test it with this module after the christmas holidays.

Is it possible that there are exist different Tx-module?

Are there things that I can test? I Have a LA and a 250MHz scope.

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17 Dec 2012 14:52 #4060 by PhracturedBlue
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a) not much you can do with a scope to be honest. Verify that the voltage on the Vdd pin is 3.3V that is about it

b)look at the module and ensure it has a PA chip. that is a little (~2mmx2mm) chip near the antenna (not the large chip labeled A7105). you can compare yours to the pics in the instructions and make sure they look the same

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17 Dec 2012 15:16 #4061 by kille
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This two points I have already checked.

Only the module of the transmitter from the Xieda 9958 has no PA.
My module from the V911 looks identical to the module from your pic.

Anything else? Is it possibly that the problem is my Devo 6 and not Devo 8?

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17 Dec 2012 21:27 #4069 by kille
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I have checked it with the 1.1 release.
It is now not possible to bind again.

I will check if the Tx-module is damaged. So I will solder it into the old transmitter.
When I will get the new Tx-module I try it with this one.

Perhaps I have done a mistake in the bind process.
Can you describe how to bind with the flysky tx?

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17 Dec 2012 23:23 - 17 Dec 2012 23:25 #4071 by harmony96
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Today I carefully did the range test again as follows.
1) I turned on a radio (FW 2.0) and changed its output power to 150mW.
2) Then, turn it off
3) plug a battery of v911 in
4) turn on devo 8s.

I put a radio in room #1.
Then, went to another room #2 with v911.
Distance between two rooms is only around 5~6m, but doors of the rooms were closed.

Interestingly, signal was alive.
The result was different from yesterday

In weekend, I'll do range test in open space like PB, and will report it.
Last edit: 17 Dec 2012 23:25 by harmony96.

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18 Dec 2012 14:09 - 18 Dec 2012 14:10 #4082 by harmony96
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kille wrote: Perhaps I have done a mistake in the bind process.
Can you describe how to bind with the flysky tx?


In "Model Setup", 1) choose Flysky protocol.
2) Set TX power to 150mW
3) In my case, Fixed ID: NONE

1) plug a battery to v911.
2) Turn on a radio
3) after a few second, v911 is bound.

Probably, the reason for the short range in the first test is that I didn't maximize TX power.
Last edit: 18 Dec 2012 14:10 by harmony96.

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18 Dec 2012 14:43 #4085 by kille
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I Think I have found the reason.

I have soldered the Tx-module into the old Transmitter. Suddenly it bound then it lost the signal.
It works sometimes when i touch the Tx-module and sometimes not.
On the Tx-module is a inductivity broken. I have seen a small crack under my microscope.

I have no idea which is the right value. I have desoldered the induktivity and instead of the induktivity a bridge.
It dont work.

I wait for the next Tx-module.

Thanks everybody for the help and of course spezial thanks to PhracturedBlue.

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18 Dec 2012 21:20 #4101 by PhracturedBlue
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Assuming it is the inductor attached to the antenna, it is probably 3.1nH. there is also a 4.7nH incductor that is between the output and ground.

This is based on the reference design, and notnecessarily the same as the V911 module uses

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19 Dec 2012 06:37 #4116 by harmony96
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PhracturedBlue wrote: I did a range test on mine. Around 1000ft with the V911 Tx module inside the Tx. I am not aware of any reason why the range would be so short. In 2.0 we added the ability to change the transmit strength. I am not 100% sure that has been thoroughly tested. In 1.1 we used stock settings (which is what I did the range-test with) so if you don't get good range with the 1.1 release, I am at somewhat of a loss.


Today I did the range test in an open space.
The range was only around 100ft.
There was nothing between v911 and a radio.
I have no idea why the range is so short.
If soldering is not good, is there any power drop in tx module?
Another possibility is that here is a big city.
Maybe there was some interference.

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19 Dec 2012 10:20 #4117 by kille
Replied by kille on topic FlySKy MOD Range Test

PhracturedBlue wrote: Assuming it is the inductor attached to the antenna, it is probably 3.1nH. there is also a 4.7nH incductor that is between the output and ground.

This is based on the reference design, and notnecessarily the same as the V911 module uses


Thank you very much for this advice. I order next time a suitable inductivity.

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19 Dec 2012 10:53 - 19 Dec 2012 11:08 #4118 by kille
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harmony96 wrote: Today I did the range test in an open space.
The range was only around 100ft.
There was nothing between v911 and a radio.
I have no idea why the range is so short.
If soldering is not good, is there any power drop in tx module?
Another possibility is that here is a big city.
Maybe there was some interference.


I get my new Tx-module. Now I can bind to my v911.
I have the same issues with the short radio distance.
It could be that the problem is not the modded Devo. It could be that the problem is the v911!
I have a nother issue with the v911. I have made a video.
I try to explain (my english is very bad, please excuse):
When I move the sticks very fast, the servos begin to "stick" and then it lost the signal.
I have testet this again with my th9x and I have the same problem (not so big but it exists).

With my Xieda 9958 heli and my v929 I have no problems like this.

So it could be that the range test with the v911 is bad but only because the v911 is bad.
Last edit: 19 Dec 2012 11:08 by kille. Reason: the quote was wrong

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19 Dec 2012 11:01 #4119 by kille
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Sorry the video upload dont work.
You can find the video there:

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19 Dec 2012 16:28 #4123 by rototophe
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Maybe one direction to expore is try another V911 heli and see if it acts the same as the one you are doing the tests with right now?

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20 Dec 2012 08:31 #4135 by kille
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I have tested it with two different v911. It is the same.

With a bigger distance the problem is bigger.

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20 Dec 2012 15:49 - 20 Dec 2012 15:52 #4137 by harmony96
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kille wrote: It could be that the problem is not the modded Devo. It could be that the problem is the v911!


Today I did a test using v911, v929, and flysky receiver.
Interestingly, their ranges were different.
Maybe the reason for the short range in my previous test was that I did a test with the worst one.
The flysky receiver provided most long range.

I'll do a field test using v911, v929, and flysky receiver in weekend.

BTW, the transmitting power becomes 4 times, the range will theoretically become two times. Am I right?
Last edit: 20 Dec 2012 15:52 by harmony96.

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