devo 10 nRF24L01+ Hisky

Hello I have a Devo 10 whit Deviation deviation-devo10-v3.0.0-41e2c49 and a nRF24L01+. I have no experions whit Deviation and i whant to bind and fly my Hisky FBL 80. Am getting nowhere so far, no gui no
good binding, i am probably making 100 mistakes. Is there someone who wants to share a working model? Or can point me in the right direction ?

i made a gui ye woohoo (I wear my lucky socks today) and i have the model-ini Please check what I'm doing wrong.

here is my fbl80 ini from a 7e, you should be able to work from it to get you going

Thank you Harry !

Hi Harry,

I've tried your config and it seems to mix Elevator\Aileron on my Devo 7E (mode 2). Any idea what's going on? Thanks.

my 7e is also mode 2, which heli are you using? and how are your servo's plugged in from top to bottom?

on mine, looking in from the tail of my hisky fbl80 the left side servo is plugged in at the top, the right side servo is plugged at the bottom, and the elevator is plugged in the middle

i have just realised what your on about, what happened was when i setup my fbl80 i used the standard gui and i chose the 120º swash, but for some reason it turns out that the swash setup in the TX is out of phase by 120º as instead of it thinking the elevator servo is at the rear it thinks its at the right hand side in the pitch position (when looking in from the tail towards the front of the heli) so i had to swap ch1 to cyclic2 and ch2 to cyclic1 to correct this.

what made me remember this is that i just set up my new fbl100 tonight and i had to do the same again but this time with the 140º swash. i'm not sure if this is just a quirk with the hisky protocol or deviation itself as all my other fbl heli's have fbl controllers that do the cyclic mixing themselves so only require single servo setup in the Tx.

i don't know why your hisky heli is acting different as i don't think there are different versions of the 7e? unless your using a different version of deviation? i'm using 746479c. as if it is only my tx that needs this then i cant understand how that happened?

Harry,

The manual for the FBL100/V922 calls for a swash setup of 120° (with the HT-8 module) not 140°, how is it that you need the 140 with deviation ?

I don't see the use of a internal module changing the swash configuration.

i don't know what, but something is causing the swash positions to be out of sync. I'll look into it farther over the holidays to see if it's just the hisky protocol or deviation itself.

I use a 140deg swash for the fbl100 because that's what the heli has on it, if it had a 120deg swash then I'd understand why the instructions would ask for it but it has a 140deg one?

from HT8 manual :

[Swash Mix]
3 servos 120°



I'm puzzled..., everybody has always set-up the fbl100 + ht8 with 3 servos 120°, it was a topic of discussion on one of the rcg threads then it was confirmed it is indeed 120°. A search on the V922 thread will come with a dozen 120° type post.

When I have time to install the nrf module, I'll pay attention to it, but once again I can't see why it should change anything to the swash type.

Have you posted your model file for the 100 somewhere on this forum ?

Thanks.

You must consider that the fbl electronic may have some influence to the signals it needs. There is a good howto for setting up a fbl heli from scratch - have you seen this?
If you are sure that you did not mix up the servos (wrong place in the receiver) it sound for me like a problem of reversing one servo or the other.

blackmoon

like i said the fbl100 has a 140º swash, so for myself i'll use 140º programming in the tx because (as the rx/gyro doesn't do any of the cyclic mixing itself, so i can't see why they say to use 120º, unless they wanted to keep things simple for their customers as not many Tx's come with 140º programming) if you look at the heli and check the fbl100 swash against the fbl80 swash you will see yourself that it has indeed a 140º swash. also 120º mixing will still work on 140º swash heli's but there will be some unintended interaction. perhaps thats why people find that the stock tx works better with the heli than when using aftermarket tx's with the ht8?

jfyi the 140º swash was created to give equal reaction in both axis as the 120º setup has a quicker reaction in the aileron axis compared to the elevator axis.

no i've not posted it yet as i've only just created a basic setup for it, i need to get some flying done in a bigger space to tune in throws, pitch, etc before i'll post it

rbe2012

i've been flying heli's for over 10 years now so i know how to setup them up also the servo's are all in the stock positions in the rx and as it's now happened to 2 hisky heli's out of the box with deviation and the hisky protocol i think it's clear the problem is here, being as i just checked just now with my dsm9x and the ht8 module and it doesn't happen. i don't know how the hisky protocol deals with the standard gui and the cyclic templates but it is definitely mixing up the positions of the swash

That's an interesting finding (or find ?), I have to admit I never looked at the 100 swash closely, and followed blindly what the manual said.

I'm eager to see the difference in flight behavior with your config when you post it.

Thanks

Thanks for the tip Harry, that worked. I'm using an older build where the HiSky protocol was still called FBL100.

thanks for the update, this shows that this is a change that's recent then, i've created a bug on pb's bitbucket so if anyone is using my config with the current firmware watch for when the change comes through as you'll need to swap things back round

Thanks HappyHarry. Interestingly, I am using one of the more recent Nightly. (Dec-15-2013) and the protocol is labeled HiSky.

And your model works with my FBL80 just fine.

I can't get the module installed properly. The red numbers go from module to TX. The yellow numbers I do not know where to go.

ovres VCC and CE from the module go to VDD on the TX, and CSN on the module goes to either TMS or TCK depending if this is your first module or second, if it's the first module you've added then use TMS, otherwise use TCK


thanks pb, i'll ping victzh and ask him to have a look

I am a bit far from my development environment right now (you guessed right - New Year vacation!) but as far as I understand from the code only, it is done to emulate HT8 closely (I will double check when I have access to Devo, HT8 and some model), so that replacing protocol in a model should suffice.

At least that was my intention in case of SLT, HiSky is not totally mine, so may be it slipped up in this aspect a bit. Also, HT8 has 3 modes, so it is unclear which mode to make this compatible with.

Also, I don't have any swashplate-based model, so it will take time to get one. I have only Q-BOT, which does not have mixing problems.

Do you think FBL80 (it's now winter here, so I need something really small) would suit for this kind of experiment?

I fly my FBL80 inside, and I only have 9' ceilings.