Mould King 33043 Super F Quad - HS6200 RF chip

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14 May 2016 22:24 - 14 May 2016 22:29 #48463 by goebish
I really hate when they do that ... same machine (ref 33043 as well), but using different protocols and radio chips.
So, back to zero, I still have no machine with a HS6200 to work on it ...

"Good" news is that mine seems to be from a very recent batch (April 2016), so MK-33043 ordered from now on have a good chance to be compatible with CX-10 protocol.

Another bad news is that some manufacturers are starting to use SOC with radio+adc+mcu inside the same chip, so there's nothing to capture with a "simple" logic analyzer, it has to be done "in the air", which requires much more skills and time.
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15 May 2016 02:53 #48476 by Multirotor Go
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goebish wrote: I really hate when they do that ... same machine (ref 33043 as well), but using different protocols and radio chips.
So, back to zero, I still have no machine with a HS6200 to work on it ...

"Good" news is that mine seems to be from a very recent batch (April 2016), so MK-33043 ordered from now on have a good chance to be compatible with CX-10 protocol.

Another bad news is that some manufacturers are starting to use SOC with radio+adc+mcu inside the same chip, so there's nothing to capture with a "simple" logic analyzer, it has to be done "in the air", which requires much more skills and time.


Sadly I wouldn't bet on that when I got my super s suposedly they were the new ones compatible with deviation slightly slower yaw but I got one of the old ones not compatible and at the time on the rcgroups thread people that had like 4 of them all ordered in diferent times they recived mixed ones :(

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28 May 2017 07:17 - 28 May 2017 07:23 #62619 by SeByDocKy
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There is a new model from Eachine using the HD6200, the E012 a nanowhoop

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28 May 2017 11:11 #62624 by goebish
That's interesting, if it's similar to the HS6200 I should be able to emulate it with the nrf24l01, but I can't find the datasheet so I'm not sure.
If someone wants to send me one I'll take a look ;)

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28 May 2017 11:16 #62625 by SeByDocKy
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goebish wrote: That's interesting, if it's similar to the HS6200 I should be able to emulate it with the nrf24l01, but I can't find the datasheet so I'm not sure.
If someone wants to send me one I'll take a look ;)


It's an HS6200 .... so should be possible

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28 May 2017 11:24 #62626 by goebish
Ok, you made a typo ;)
It should be possible only if it's using 1Mbps or 2Mbps bitrate (not 500kbps).

Can you dump the init / bind stage so I can check that ?
Here's the pinout:


Anyway, I'll need one because captures over the air is necessary to understand the scrambling ...

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28 May 2017 11:33 #62627 by SeByDocKy
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on CE, CSN, SCK, MISO, MOSI and GND ? I will try but it's super tiny to solder level skill .... I don't promise to succeed ... :(

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28 May 2017 11:39 - 28 May 2017 15:55 #62628 by goebish
yes, IRQ might be useful too, SOP16 isn't that tiny (I'd use 0.5mm soldering wire tho), just use a magnifier if necessary :)
... and tin the pins with some leaded solder first, that will make it easier to solder the wires.

Also, NEVER get soldering wire from China, it's complete garbage ;)
PM your address if you need a length of good 0.5mm soldering wire and 30awg silicone wires, I'll send that to you.
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28 May 2017 12:07 #62631 by SeByDocKy
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goebish wrote: yes, IRQ might be useful too, SOP16 isn't that tiny (I'd use 0.5mm solder wire tho), just use a magnifier if necessary :)
... and tin the pins with some leaded solder first, that will make it easier to solder the wires.

Also, NEVER get solder wire from China, it's complete garbage ;)
PM your address if you need a length of good 0.5mm solder wire and 30awg silicone wires, I'll send that to you.



I wanted to solder directly my BG's dupond wires .... not a good idea ?

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28 May 2017 12:08 #62632 by goebish
You can, that's what I would do, but that's easier to use silicone wires if you're not confident (fast) as they don't melt.

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28 May 2017 12:23 #62633 by SeByDocKy
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goebish wrote: You can, that's what I would do, but that's easier to use silicone wires if you're not confident (fast) as they don't melt.


I just checked again .... it's super tiny with my poor eyes. .... I don't have a super great magnifyer close to me :(

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28 May 2017 12:27 - 28 May 2017 12:30 #62634 by goebish
Just don't do it if you're not confident enough and value this Tx.
I'll open a dedicated thread, I'd like to make sure it's not using 500kbps bitrate before someone sends one to me or I order one with patreon money ( thanks guys, really appreciated ! ) ;)
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28 May 2017 12:39 - 28 May 2017 12:43 #62636 by goebish
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06 Nov 2018 10:17 #71564 by goebish
@mdon, are you still reading ?
You didn't tell which machine you were working on, the HS6200 is now properly emulated in Deviation.

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07 Nov 2018 05:10 #71597 by JayDrone
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i dont know if this will help but the small mould king and the usa clone I have had on the jumper for some time ommon protocol

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07 Nov 2018 05:11 #71598 by JayDrone
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my large mouldking wont wake up - but again a usa rebrand also on common protocol

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07 Nov 2018 09:38 - 07 Nov 2018 09:38 #71601 by goebish
The "newer" Mould King Super-F are using XN297 with CX10 protocol.
Some older ones were using a HS6200 transceiver instead, but I couldn't get my hands on one ...

Regarding your "large" one, can you check which ICs are in the TX and RX please ?
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07 Nov 2018 13:44 - 07 Nov 2018 13:47 #71610 by goebish
Also, I'm interested in knowing which brands/models binds to which protocols so I can complete the compatibility list .

It seems you've a large collection of quads, if you see anything missing in the list that you know is working with Deviation please let me know :)
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08 Nov 2018 04:15 #71640 by JayDrone
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you have alot missing from your list lol - to many to be exact - best would be to troll my youtube

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09 Nov 2018 11:02 - 09 Nov 2018 11:12 #71671 by goebish
Sorry but time is lacking, you've got a nice channel but I can't watch hundreds of videos.
This is an open source project, you're welcome, documenting is as much important as coding.
If you want to contribute to the Deviation project you know what you have to do ;)
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