XK K110 (S-FHSS) build for Devo 7E and Devo 10

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03 May 2016 18:21 #47689 by victzh
OK, I'll check again - SeBy DocKey should have the model and can confirm it's S-FHSS compatible or not.

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03 May 2016 19:03 #47690 by SeByDocKy
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Yes ... I have a more or less working profil for the 7E for the X100



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03 May 2016 19:38 #47693 by HappyHarry
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nice one guys, much appreciated :)

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03 May 2016 20:33 #47697 by SeByDocKy
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HappyHarry wrote: nice one guys, much appreciated :)


right ruddler trim tor 3G/6G .... and HOLD1 for 3D

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03 May 2016 22:01 #47700 by HappyHarry
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thanks again seb but i'll be switching those out to use fmod for 3G/6G and one of the 3ways for triggering 3dmode, hold is always throttle hold for me, it's a habit from the heli's and whenever i look to be going in muscle memory triggers the hold switch so i can't use it for anything else lol

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04 May 2016 14:12 - 04 May 2016 14:14 #47729 by wasp09
@victzh I'll get some pictures when I am back at home, RX, TX or both? There is a PA on the TX side but not on the RX side.
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04 May 2016 15:12 #47736 by victzh
PA on TX only is normal. Both is preferable - to estimate the place of soldering. Not that I'm going to buy this particular equipment but I can advise you what's easier.

And may be make its own thread in Protocols section of the forum.

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05 May 2016 02:20 - 05 May 2016 03:32 #47792 by wasp09
The Radiolink RX is made up with a CC2500 daughter board plugged onto a main board. The pins are marked on both sides.




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05 May 2016 03:30 #47795 by wasp09
On the Radiolink TX side:



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05 May 2016 04:10 #47797 by victzh
I just love when everything is so well marked and nice and big - so easy to connect, you don't even need to solder to it.

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10 May 2016 08:39 #48155 by dc59
Hi Victzh,
I got 2 binding problems report from Taiwan & China RC forum
#1 : DEVO 12S user , XK K120 & K110 , can't binding.
#2 : DEVO 10 user , XK K120 , he have 2 K120 , one of them can't bind and the other OK.
One of China user asked XK company , XK told him it's "frequency shifting" (I'm not sure I use correct wording or not?)
it seems like frequency difference problem, do you have any idea about it?
Is it possible that XK X6 TX (or RF module) has any special design or wilder frequency tolerance ?
All of them can bind with XK X6 TX, no problem.
Thanks!

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11 May 2016 04:49 #48187 by victzh
CC2500 used for S-FHSS has quite strong requirements to the quartz quality than other chips. Manufacturers of cheap models don't bother to use crystals with high precision - as long as they are from the same batch they will match and so will be able to communicate. I thinks that what's they meant under "frequency shifting". XK module does not have wider tolerance, it just matches the model's crystal.

We already faced with this in FrSky protocol and implemented software correction to the frequency, fortunately CC2500 allows it.

I don't know how well this works, but it's a matter of enabling a couple of parameters. Also, I wonder where their CC2500 modules are from and how do they look?

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11 May 2016 05:00 #48188 by dc59

victzh wrote: CC2500 used for S-FHSS has quite strong requirements to the quartz quality than other chips. Manufacturers of cheap models don't bother to use crystals with high precision - as long as they are from the same batch they will match and so will be able to communicate. I thinks that what's they meant under "frequency shifting". XK module does not have wider tolerance, it just matches the model's crystal.

We already faced with this in FrSky protocol and implemented software correction to the frequency, fortunately CC2500 allows it.

I don't know how well this works, but it's a matter of enabling a couple of parameters. Also, I wonder where their CC2500 modules are from and how do they look?


Thanks for your explanation.
The DEVO 12S user use 3in1 RF module and I will ask DEVO10 user for his RF chip soon.
BTW, is it possible to use X6 TX stock RF chip to solve this problem ?

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11 May 2016 15:01 #48202 by rbecq

dc59 wrote: BTW, is it possible to use X6 TX stock RF chip to solve this problem ?


@dc59, since you are also active in 5imx, there is a post in the Chinese language reporting that using stock RF module works: bbs.5imx.com/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=1200794

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11 May 2016 16:29 #48206 by victzh
I think so, but I'm not sure how they handle PA/LNA (if they have one).

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11 May 2016 17:20 - 11 May 2016 17:22 #48213 by wasp09
That is bad news. Basically it means if the CC2500 modules from ebay do not work, we have to buy a stock XK TX first. The stock TX has been the show stopper for me in buying any XK birds. Don't plan on getting them until they are devo manageable.

BTW, my analyzer is tracked at Toronto this morning, 400km from Ottawa. I probably would get it this week. However, I have no CC2500 modules yet unless I borrow one from my radioLink or Skyartec stock TX. I haven't received my new devo 10 or H11D. Cannot do much with the new analyzer unless I try it on the L6F which has an unknown RF module. :(

How much can a crystal be off???
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11 May 2016 18:54 #48222 by mwm
Can the "Tuning" options used in the FrSky protocol be used for this frequency shifting?

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11 May 2016 19:27 #48226 by victzh
@wasp09 - no it's not THAT bad news.

If you look into CC2500 datasheet you'll see the recommended crystal accuracy is +-40ppm. It allows to keep the central frequency (around 2.4GHz) at +-96KHz. If you use cheap crystal, say 100ppm it becomes 240KHz. Channel bandwidth at datarates less than 100kbps is around 240KHz - it becomes harder for the chip to compensate for such large deviation. So the less data rate the more receiver sensitivity, but on the other hand the stricter requirements for the crystal. It can explain why some protocols are less sensitive to this effect.

You can add tuning and try to offset the central frequency for your TX one way or another until it binds. As @mwm mentioned, it was used with FrSky, I just don't know how effective. The code is there, it's not enabled yet.

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11 May 2016 21:54 #48233 by dc59

rbecq wrote: @dc59, since you are also active in 5imx, there is a post in the Chinese language reporting that using stock RF module works: bbs.5imx.com/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=1200794


Thanks rbecq , I think I missed that post. :P

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11 May 2016 21:58 #48234 by dc59

victzh wrote: @wasp09 - no it's not THAT bad news.

If you look into CC2500 datasheet you'll see the recommended crystal accuracy is +-40ppm. It allows to keep the central frequency (around 2.4GHz) at +-96KHz. If you use cheap crystal, say 100ppm it becomes 240KHz. Channel bandwidth at datarates less than 100kbps is around 240KHz - it becomes harder for the chip to compensate for such large deviation. So the less data rate the more receiver sensitivity, but on the other hand the stricter requirements for the crystal. It can explain why some protocols are less sensitive to this effect.

You can add tuning and try to offset the central frequency for your TX one way or another until it binds. As @mwm mentioned, it was used with FrSky, I just don't know how effective. The code is there, it's not enabled yet.


Hi Victzh,

Is it possible to enable tuning option on S-FHSS protocol and make a DEVO 12S test build, my friend can try to confirm it ? :cheer:

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