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15 Dec 2013 09:49 #16654 by kreidler
Replied by kreidler on topic Probably never publishing a release 3.1.0...
Thanks henkerhaus,

The actual discussion is here: http://www.deviationtx.com/forum/7-development/2432-documentation-discussion

In order to avoid double work and have all revisions online. The work started here: https://bitbucket.org/bhammerton/deviation-manual-bh
Document format should be fodt / odt to have it open-source.

We started with the Devo7e/10 manual and even the installation section has been already upgraded. Just gone through your PDF because I had also some problems following the origin manual. Seems to be nearly identical to the reworked one. Of course, the Devo12 hints have been not included in the b/w screen manual. It seems that you had problems with the subdirectories. So, if you do not mind I would add some extra explanations in your style.
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15 Dec 2013 21:47 #16687 by henkerhaus
Replied by henkerhaus on topic Probably never publishing a release 3.1.0...
"Document format should be fodt / odt to have it open-source."

I don't recognize these formats. What application uses them? I'm not a Microsoft fan by any means, but I do use Word, Excel, PowerPoint (Mac Versions) for Tasks such as this. I also have Apple's Pages, Numbers, and Keynote, but I tend to use the others, since that is what I use at work, and am most familiar / proficient with.

Feel free to use any or all of what I wrote. That's why I submitted it.

My goals were twofold...

1) Address and document the things that were missing, i.e. the things that I had questions about or problems with, when I first started to install and use Deviation, and

2) Improve the way things were stated, for better / more proper communication.

I have experience in technical writing, and some of my corrections might seem to say / mean the same the same thing, as what was already written, but the wording I used was carefully chosen to avoid certain things. For instance, I avoided using first person words, such as "you" or "I" to describe / explain things, but rather used generic third person descriptions, such as "the user". I also tried to avoid using "passive voice".

For example, if something was stated like "In order to do that, you will need to have this", I would reword it say "The user will need to have this, in order to do that". Seems subtle, but it is considered to be more proper.

And by all means, I'm not implying that you need use "exactly" what "I" wrote, but I did want you to know that there was more consideration to "how" it was written, than what might appear on the surface.

I appreciate all the work that's been done by everyone else to get this project where it is, so I'd like to contribute what I can. Let me know how I could help. Thanks.
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15 Dec 2013 22:17 #16688 by kreidler
Replied by kreidler on topic Probably never publishing a release 3.1.0...

henkerhaus wrote: "Document format should be fodt / odt to have it open-source."

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1) Address and document the things that were missing, i.e. the things that I had questions about or problems with, when I first started to install and use Deviation, and

2) Improve the way things were stated, for better / more proper communication.

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For instance, I avoided using first person words, such as "you" or "I" to describe / explain things, but rather used generic third person descriptions, such as "the user". I also tried to avoid using "passive voice".


The format is Openoffice / LibreOffice. Put an .org behind and you will find the alternative to the Microsoft branch.

I fully understand your intension because I started same way and I feel that this project is a great option - nearly coming back with these transmitters to the MHz times but with much more features.

Any native English speaker please correct me if I am wrong. I learnt some time ago that using of the first and second person (you) and passive is quite normal for English manuals. Please have a look at e.g. Spektrum manuals. From your nick I assume that you have European peference (NL or DE) and then this type of writing is strange without question.

We do need any help or constructive remarks we can get. Try to get familar with this bitbucket things (I still do have my problems with :) ). Otherwise please feel free to give your appreciated comments in the other thread I mentioned before.
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16 Dec 2013 08:09 - 16 Dec 2013 08:11 #16708 by henkerhaus
Replied by henkerhaus on topic Probably never publishing a release 3.1.0...

Any native English speaker please correct me if I am wrong. I learnt some time ago that using of the first and second person (you) and passive is quite normal for English manuals. Please have a look at e.g. Spektrum manuals.


Attached is the "Technical Writing Guidelines" document, for the "Technical Communication 1" class, at the University of Berkley. It is published by TechProse, a technical writing, training, and information technology consulting company, that Berkley uses for teaching the course. The material is based on several leading references on the subject of Technical Writing.

Take a look at "Chapter 3. Style & Usage". It addresses the kinds of aspects that I mentioned before, as well as many others. i would recommend using this more as the reference for proper writing etiquette in the Deviation manual, than necessarily other company's manuals.

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16 Dec 2013 14:16 #16713 by PhracturedBlue
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Please bring the discussion to the 'Documentation Discussion' thread.
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18 Dec 2013 16:05 #16777 by Pattaya01
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To whom it may concern,

I have been testing almost all nightlies and even fly with them since the last 2 months or so.

Up until today, no issues at all.

TX: Devo12S
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18 Dec 2013 16:44 #16779 by PhracturedBlue
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I agree that stability is better than it's ever been. You can thank Rbe and folks for the excellent work they did squashing bugs in my absence.
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19 Dec 2013 14:12 #16796 by Kdean
Replied by Kdean on topic publishing an intermediate release 3.1.0?
Are the 3.1 changes in the latest nightly (64e40) posted in the nightly section here?

Or, do i need to go to another link to down load the 3.1 nightly?
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19 Dec 2013 14:28 #16799 by vlad_vy
Replied by vlad_vy on topic publishing an intermediate release 3.1.0?
Yes, all changes implemented in the nightly builds.
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20 Dec 2013 07:00 #16820 by PhracturedBlue
Replied by PhracturedBlue on topic publishing an intermediate release 3.1.0?
I just checked in a change that affects how the strings are extracted for translations. This will allow an accurate count of strings that are actually used. However, it relies on the syntax of 'objdump' and it it possible it won't work properly on Windows platforms.
I would appreciate it if some folks would try compiling and make sure I didn't break anything. I do NOT need to know of it works (no need to clutter this with a bunch of "It is ok for me" messages), but if it DOESN'T work please let me know :)
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20 Dec 2013 08:16 - 20 Dec 2013 08:49 #16826 by vlad_vy
Replied by vlad_vy on topic publishing an intermediate release 3.1.0?
emu_devo10 russian language file is very short:

Russian
:4Ch w/ Dual-Rates
4-канала с дв.расх.
:6Ch Airplane
6-канальный самолет
:6Ch Helicopter
6-канальный вертолет
:Heli/Standard GUI
Вертолет/Стандартный
:Simple 4 Channel
Простой 4-канала

emu_devo8 russian language file is very short:

Russian
:4Ch w/ Dual-Rates
4-канала с дв.расходами
:6Ch Airplane
6-канальный самолет
:6Ch Helicopter
6-канальный вертолет
:Heli/Standard GUI
Вертолет/Стандартный
:Simple 4 Channel
Простой 4-канала
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20 Dec 2013 13:21 - 20 Dec 2013 13:43 #16835 by PhracturedBlue
Replied by PhracturedBlue on topic publishing an intermediate release 3.1.0?
Thanks.
I don't see this behavior. Are you building on windows? Does it happen to the regular 'devo8' or 'devo10' builds?

Edit: It is a Windows only thing. I've fixed it now
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20 Dec 2013 14:24 #16839 by vlad_vy
Replied by vlad_vy on topic publishing an intermediate release 3.1.0?
What does it mean?

+ Copying template files for devo8
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+ Checking string list length for devo8
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20 Dec 2013 14:32 - 20 Dec 2013 14:35 #16840 by vlad_vy
Replied by vlad_vy on topic publishing an intermediate release 3.1.0?
And, now language files are different for Devo8 and Devo12. Is it useful or not? That is the question.

Now I need to have two different filesystems for my Devo8 and Devo12 and both emulators.
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20 Dec 2013 15:07 #16842 by PhracturedBlue
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That is true. I'll need to add support for a devo12 filesystem now. It'll just be a copy of the devo8 with updated language strings (like how the devo7e filesystem works).

The 'illegal hexadecimal digit' message means perl isn't parsing your objdump files properly.
can you run:
objdump -s objs/devo8/input.o > log
and then attach the log file for me to look at?
if the issue happens only in windows builds, it would be:
objdump -s objs/emu_devo8-w32/input.o > log
or
objdump -s objs/emu_devo12-w32/input.o > log
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20 Dec 2013 16:31 #16847 by vlad_vy
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I need to use
objdump -s objs/emu_devo8-w32/inputs.o > log


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20 Dec 2013 17:11 #16852 by PhracturedBlue
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can you run make with ''VERBOSE=1' and paste the extract_strings.pl command that is being executed? I still don't see what it causing this warning.
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20 Dec 2013 17:21 #16853 by vlad_vy
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$ make TARGET=emu_devo8 TYPE=prd WINDOWS=1 VERBOSE=1
+ Copying template files for devo8
mkdir -p filesystem/devo8 || true
cp -prf filesystem/common/media filesystem/devo8/
cp -prf filesystem/common/template filesystem/devo8/
mkdir filesystem/devo8/layout 2> /dev/null; \
cp -prf filesystem/common/layout/*.* filesystem/devo8/layout/
cp tx_template.ini filesystem/devo8/tx.ini
cp filesystem/common/datalog.bin filesystem/devo8/datalog.bin
echo 'empty' > filesystem/devo8/errors.txt
mkdir filesystem/devo8/models 2> /dev/null || true
echo 'name=Model1' > filesystem/devo8/models/model1.ini \
&& cat model_template.ini >> filesystem/devo8/models/model1.ini
cp model_template.ini filesystem/devo8/models/default.ini
mkdir filesystem/devo8/language 2> /dev/null; \
../utils/extract_strings.pl -target devo8 -update -objdir objs/emu_devo8-w32
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export tx=devo8; \
number=2 ; while [ $number -le 30 ] ; do \
cp model_template.ini filesystem/$tx/models/model$number.ini; \
number=`expr $number + 1`; \
done
+ Checking string list length for devo8
../utils/check_string_size.pl -target devo8 -objdir objs/emu_devo8-w32 -quiet
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20 Dec 2013 17:50 #16855 by PhracturedBlue
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Thanks. It was triggered by the use of 'TYPE=prd' (though that wasn't the bug). I never use TYPE= any more so didn't notice.
This was a rather interesting bug due to the perl range operator not behaving as I expected in a nested loop. I have fixed the issue.
Adding the devo12 filesystem will need to wait until later though.
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21 Dec 2013 03:36 #16867 by PhracturedBlue
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I checked in the new devo12 filesystem code. I hope it works. I really hate tryingto do stuff with Makefiles, but I think I got things working ok.
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