Devo 12s 3in1 / 4in1 RF module neat installation.

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14 Mar 2017 18:04 #60191 by mwm
Replied by mwm on topic 3in1 / 4in1 RF module
The best approach to adding modules is to take out the PCB and solder pins through the holes. Not sure if there's a hole for B7 on the 10, and since this takes a lot of extra work, it's not clear it's worth it for the 4-in-1. I put them in my old one with a multimodule and it was well worth the effort. I didn't bother on the new one with the 4-in-1.

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15 Mar 2017 02:14 #60202 by ClittleJ
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Thanks for the responses!

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18 Mar 2017 17:23 #60337 by Lohar
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Hi, am new here and want to introduce myself shortly.
My name is Lothar am 65 years old and since 45 years model builders and pilots.

Now to my question:
I've installed the 4 in 1 module by Banggood in my Devo12.
All the very latest firmware.
I could bind the following recipients so far: FrSky X 8, D8RII, Orange RX 6, 8 and 12 channel, Devo R602.
Today I wanted to bind a FrSky V8FR, no chance.
The X 8 and the D8RII I need in the frequency fine tuning on minus 40.
In the V8 I have no possibility to fine-tune, why log???

Sorry for mi bad English, that is the translator

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18 Mar 2017 17:48 - 18 Mar 2017 17:48 #60338 by aMax
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If this receiver does not bind with V8 you may get stuck. The V8FR_II receivers have a jumper to bind with D8 ( Deviation call this Frsky).
At this point you have the frequence fine tune available.

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Last edit: 18 Mar 2017 17:48 by aMax.

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19 Mar 2017 02:28 #60353 by Lohar
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Hello aMax
the old V8FR can not bind.
also do not bind the V8FRII in the V mod
the V8FRII in D MOD can commit
Why is there no fine tuning in the V mod

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19 Mar 2017 13:06 - 19 Mar 2017 13:39 #60363 by aMax
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Lohar wrote: ........cut
Why is there no fine tuning in the V mod


1. At the time, when this was developed, none had problems with unprecise oscillators the Chinese use nowadays.
2. This protocol is rarely in use and the second edition of these V receivers can use D8.
Maybe this option will be put even into this protocol, wait for a developer answer.

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Last edit: 19 Mar 2017 13:39 by aMax. Reason: typo

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27 Mar 2017 14:54 #60801 by StevePropHead
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Did you get your lifted trace problem resolved? I did the EXACT same thing on my Devo10, I tried a few things, and finally got to to a resolution that worked. If you still need some help or direction, let me know and I'll share what I tried and what worked.

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27 Mar 2017 15:37 #60806 by Lohar
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Hello StevePropHead
Please, please tell me how you made it that the V-protocol binds.
I have 5 V8FR receiver which I would like to use.

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27 Mar 2017 17:05 #60812 by mwm
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The VF8R-II can be used in either D-mode or V-mode. D-mode in Deviation is just FrSky. You need to connect the channel 1 and channel 2 signal pins when binding. Powering it on like that will put it in bind mode, no need to hit the F/S button.

The original VF8R does not support D-mode, and has to bind in V-mode. That is the FrSky-V8 protocol in deviation. Power the Rx up while holding down the F/S button to get bind mode.

Now hit the Bind/Reinit (could have either label) button in the model setup entry with the correct protocol. Since this is a CC2500 protocol, you may need to adjust the fine tuning under protocol options to get it to bind. See the wiki entry for instructions on how to do that.

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27 Mar 2017 18:57 #60820 by Lohar
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Hello mwm

Everything you say is correct.!
I can link X with fin minus 40
I can bind D with fin minus 40

In the V log there in the transmitter menu of no possibility for fin do
I can not bind the V8FR from the old generation without frequency shift
Why no Fintuning in the V log
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28 Mar 2017 00:29 #60826 by mwm
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You didn't say what version you were using, but I suspect it's 5.0. The CC2500 tuning is a relatively new issue, post-dating the D & V FrSky protocols, and I don't know that anyone has made an effort to update all the CC2500 protocols to support it.

If you really need it, try the "5.0 with new protocols" build. The latest sources have fine tuning in the FrSky V protocol, so that build may include it.

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28 Mar 2017 06:16 #60837 by Lohar
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Hello mwm

Thank you for your answer and that you assume you my problem.
Yes, I have the 5.0 on it. Last night I made the new nightly build version 2017 03 27 played on. No fine tuning in FrSky V.
I think there is currently no way the receiver to multi module to bind.
My best thanks that you tried to help me.

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28 Mar 2017 07:09 #60841 by vlad_vy
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Main repository has for Frsky V:
#if	0
static const char * const frsky_opts[] = {
  _tr_noop("Freq-Fine"),  "-127", "127", NULL,
  _tr_noop("Freq-Course"),  "-127", "127", NULL,
  NULL
};
#endif

So, I think it has not fine tuning.

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28 Mar 2017 11:08 #60853 by czajunia
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Hi, I remember that some time ago victzh mentioned a modified 4in1 module he had been working on that would enable installing the module in 7E without soldering to the CPU. Does anybody know if there is any news on this? Personally I would prefer to avoid the CPU soldering job but if that module won't be available I think I might give it a go.


HappyHarry wrote: there is only 1 manufacturer for these modules so for anyone purchasing now there is only 1 version of each available. also having recently installed a new 3in1 (purchsed mid january driect from the manufacturer on taobao.com)

Do you mind sharing the link to the Taobao manufacturer that sells the latest modules with fixed issues? Do you know if the current 4in1 modules have the issues fixed similarly to the 3in1 module you purchased? Also, is this module from Banggood you linked to earlier: www.banggood.com/CC2500-NRF24L01-A7105-C...itter-p-1096707.html exactly the same as the one sold on Taobao or do you think it's better to buy directly from the manufacturer to make sure to get the latest version?

Many thanks.

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28 Mar 2017 12:34 #60854 by Lohar
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vlad_vy wrote: Main repository has for Frsky V:

#if	0
static const char * const frsky_opts[] = {
  _tr_noop("Freq-Fine"),  "-127", "127", NULL,
  _tr_noop("Freq-Course"),  "-127", "127", NULL,
  NULL
};
#endif

So, I think it has not fine tuning.


Hello vlad_vy
Where see i this fin in my firmware

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28 Mar 2017 15:29 #60859 by vlad_vy
Replied by vlad_vy on topic 3in1 / 4in1 RF module
if 0 - never will be true. So, frequency tuning disabled for Frsky V.

mwm committed on 22 Jan 2015

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28 Mar 2017 17:07 #60862 by victzh
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@czajunia, I sent design files for my module to the guy, who produces these 4-in-1 modules. The code support is there, in nightly builds. The guy is still processing the files, and should send me a test version, but it did not happen yet.

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28 Mar 2017 17:22 #60863 by czajunia
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victzh wrote: @czajunia, I sent design files for my module to the guy, who produces these 4-in-1 modules. The code support is there, in nightly builds. The guy is still processing the files, and should send me a test version, but it did not happen yet.

That's fantastic news. Many thanks for the update. And of course thank you for making the new module in the first place.

From your past experience do you know roughly how long it takes him to produce a board and start selling it once the test version is approved by you? I'm in no rush as my 3 separate modules work just fine but every now and then a Frsky protocol would come in handy. Cheers.

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28 Mar 2017 21:08 #60877 by victzh
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I passed the design Mar 9, 2017. He's now probably quite busy, our modules is not his only product. So I don't expect anything earlier than end of April. He's gonna use GigaDevices SPI memory (it adds normal amount of storage to Devo F series and Radiolink AT9) - I still need to cover this in the code. I'll use datasheet, but you never know until you tried.

Last time he implemented our small modifications on the 4-in-1 module pretty fast, but that was minor. And Devo adapter currently on Banggood is his own development. So actually it's hard to tell :-)

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29 Mar 2017 11:42 - 29 Mar 2017 11:46 #60902 by Fernandez
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I believe the Chinese manufacturers could be even more succesfull, if they would be bit more interactive with their community of users.
It seems they indeed read learn and copy from all conversations on the web, but not really inform, share or ask for any feedback help for their new products.
A close relation with customers could make a win win, better sales success and for us better products we like.

So please post some progress and updates on the modules...!


Oh btw one more wish;
If for the new modules the, each of the RF chips Xtal loading capacitors could selected with care to be spot on, so freq offset should be close to zero, would also be an good improvement for all of us.
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