Jumper T8SG - First TX stock running on Deviation

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26 Nov 2017 01:02 - 26 Nov 2017 01:16 #66168 by ramunas
Replied by ramunas on topic Jumper T8SG - First TX stock - power options
I am experimenting on ways to get my first batch transmitter to run well on 4xAA eneloops, or a single 18650 Li-Ion cell. The combination of Pololu item #2122 and #2564 for the 3.3v and 5v regulators looks very promising. I bought a set of these a week ago at regular price. And now I see that Pololu has a sale going on with a good price drop through Monday 11/27. Wanted to bring attention to the Pololu sale for anyone who has an inclination to experiment. www.pololu.com/blackfriday2017
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02 Dec 2017 10:28 #66315 by yets
Any news on the gimbals? I have my money saved :cheer:

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04 Dec 2017 07:07 - 13 Dec 2017 06:58 #66330 by ramunas
Replied by ramunas on topic Jumper T8SG - First TX stock - power options
I have experimented replacing the original hi-dropout voltage 3.3v and 5v linear regulators with Pololu up/down 3.3v and up 5v switching regulators on 4xAA Eneloops or 1x18650 Li-Ion battery. The goal was to keep the power shutdown and save circuitry untouched. No problems with the 4xAA in this setup (no surprise since the Walkera 7e circuitry was designed for 4xAA). With the single 18650, the Pololu regulators work well maintaining the 3.3v and 5.0v through the full range of battery voltage 4.2 - 3.0v, and therefore the system operates fine until shutdown. At shutdown the original hardware circuitry succeeds in saving model changes only for battery voltages above 3.8v. Below 3.8v there are no model change updates at shutdown regardless of the batt_critical voltage setting. Looking at the power shutdown circuitry, the 560K - 560K voltage divider at mcu pin A3 seemed to be a likely cause. As battery voltages drop below the design voltage, it is reasonable that A3 will at some point not have enough positive signal to trigger the shutdown save operation. So I reduced the 560K between A3 and J1 switch pin1 to 240K, and the shutdown save now works fine down to 2.8v. With that it seems possible to have a single 48gram Li-Ion cell provide 3000+mah. The reduced weight is nice. Note that 4 Eneloops in a Walkera battery holder are around 125grams.
Last edit: 13 Dec 2017 06:58 by ramunas. Reason: clarity, lower resistor value

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07 Dec 2017 00:11 #66370 by kreppart
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yets wrote: Any news on the gimbals? I have my money saved :cheer:


Me too!

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07 Dec 2017 15:36 #66384 by Fernandez
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Btw allready 305 preorder for Jumper at Banggood by today (and it is sold elsewere)
For the irange transmitter 553 preorder.

That means in few weeks time the user community for deviation grows fastly ?? Can we see it allready in the nr of pageview or downloads ?

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07 Dec 2017 15:48 #66386 by FDR
I don't have the exact figures, but I indeed see a raise of new users since the T8SG was introduced.
Now we have more then 8000 registered users, but a lot of them is not active, and there are also quite a few spammers who has been banned...

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07 Dec 2017 16:31 #66387 by victzh
@FDR, thank you for keeping this place clean, we don't see spammers at most, and it is because of your efforts.

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07 Dec 2017 17:28 #66389 by horrigan
hear, hear

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07 Dec 2017 18:40 #66392 by FDR
Thanks, but it's not a big deal, only the first post is moderated...

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07 Dec 2017 18:51 #66394 by horrigan
well I have to say all I have got from here is nothing but good info, I am new to the hobby and without you guys there is no way I would of got this transmitter bound to my micro quads or even got the quads in the air. And it has been fascinating to see the interaction between the developers and Jumper, keep it up...

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07 Dec 2017 23:58 #66398 by dc59

yets wrote: Any news on the gimbals? I have my money saved :cheer:


Due to some tooling issue , it can't be mass production now , it will be a little delay ........... :(

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08 Dec 2017 03:50 #66400 by phantom8
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dc59 wrote:

yets wrote: Any news on the gimbals? I have my money saved :cheer:


Due to some tooling issue , it can't be mass production now , it will be a little delay ........... :(


Thanks for letting us know. A little delay is no big deal. I would rather have a nice working gimbal than to deal with return issue.

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08 Dec 2017 09:08 #66402 by Phobos
So which hall sensor chip is going to be used? MLX90393, some other digital or analog?

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08 Dec 2017 10:24 #66405 by Hr
So dear friends ,For 2cells lipo battery (8.4v) what should be the mini power point set up for batt alarm??

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08 Dec 2017 11:00 #66406 by FDR
I would set it to 7.4V

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08 Dec 2017 11:20 #66407 by yets

dc59 wrote:

yets wrote: Any news on the gimbals? I have my money saved :cheer:


Due to some tooling issue , it can't be mass production now , it will be a little delay ........... :(


As long as it's still in production I'm happy to wait! I'd be heartbroken if they turn around and say they can't make them

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08 Dec 2017 13:10 #66411 by Hr
Thanks...

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10 Dec 2017 10:43 #66426 by ltwvince
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ramunas wrote: I have experimented replacing the original hi-dropout voltage 3.3v and 5v linear regulators with Pololu up/down 3.3v and up 5v switching regulators on 4xAA Eneloops or 1x18650 Li-Ion battery. The goal was to keep the power shutdown and save circuitry untouched. No problems with the 4xAA in this setup (no surprise since the Walkera 7e circuitry was designed for 4xAA). With the single 18650, the Pololu regulators work well maintaining the 3.3v and 5.0v through the full range of battery voltage 4.2 - 3.0v, and therefore the system operates fine until shutdown. At shutdown the original hardware circuitry succeeds in saving model changes only for battery voltages above 3.8v. Below 3.8v there are no model change updates at shutdown regardless of the batt_critical voltage setting. Looking at the power shutdown circuitry, the 560K - 560K voltage divider at mcu pin A3 seemed to be a likely cause. As battery voltages drop below the design voltage, it is reasonable that A3 will at some point not have enough positive signal to trigger the shutdown save operation. So I reduced the 560K between A3 and J1 switch pin1 to 330K, and the shutdown save now works fine down to 3v. With that it seems possible to have a single 48gram Li-Ion cell provide 3000+mah. The reduced weight is nice. Note that 4 Eneloops in a Walkera battery holder are around 125grams.


Please share more detailed information with pictures when you have time, I would love to mod this TX to use with either 4x AA or 1x 18650. Thank you for experimenting to make this possible.

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10 Dec 2017 11:13 #66427 by Fernandez
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This is indeed of interest, I had problems I could not switch of anymore the TX at low voltage, can you confirm the battery monitoring still works fine doing this mod? Btw a vbat calibrate parameter scale and offset, would be nice too have too.
I managed to fit two 18650 in parallel in my devo 7e, using single lipo or ion, we can easily charge over USB, as there are many charging circuits avaialble.

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11 Dec 2017 18:25 #66450 by ramunas
Replied by ramunas on topic Jumper T8SG - First TX stock - power options

Fernandez wrote: This is indeed of interest, I had problems I could not switch of anymore the TX at low voltage, can you confirm the battery monitoring still works fine doing this mod? Btw a vbat calibrate parameter scale and offset, would be nice too have too.
I managed to fit two 18650 in parallel in my devo 7e, using single lipo or ion, we can easily charge over USB, as there are many charging circuits avaialble.

I can confirm that the battery monitoring circuitry actually surprised me in it's accuracy. Actual battery voltages from 4.20v to 3.03v were reported as 4.15v to 2.97v (averaging about .05v -.06v low. But note that my particular Pololu 3.3v regulator is putting out 3.33v (1% high). That will cause the voltage reported to the monitor to be low by 1% or about 0.04v. So the actual error in the circuitry is less than 1%. I agree that a vbat scale and offset calibrate parameter would be nice. In the above measurements, the schottky diode to the right of the main board battery socket is still in the circuit. So the formula being used to report the battery voltage seems to be doing a good job of implementing the offset due to the schottky as well as the scale of the battery voltage. While experimenting to get the shutdown parameter save operation to work at low voltages, I put a short across the schottky, which raises the voltage available on the main board by about 0.35v, and makes it easier to keep everything working at the low voltage end of the Li-Ion cell. But with the schottky shorted, the battery monitor reports the battery voltage as 0.32v high (no surprise since the formula includes an incorrect offset). In a situation like this, an adjustable offset would be nice.

I have not had a failure of the transmitter to turn off. I ran more tests down to 2.8v with the 560K resistor reduced even further to 240K, and it now saves configuration at shutdown even at 2.8v

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