Deviation for Devo F4?

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23 Jun 2016 21:29 #51012 by Arnold
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So, I just tack these two lines onto the bottom of my tx.ini file?
batt_critical=3.8
batt_alarm=3.8

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24 Jun 2016 00:25 #51015 by sensaurabh
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That is correct. However, if you are using regular Alkaline batteries, the F4 screen stops working after about 4.2V. So you may want to set it at around that. I am going to build a 2x18650 battery pack for the radio. Looks like the 18650 size is perfect.

If you decide to stop using AA batteries and switch to a lipo, do remember to bump up this min voltage, or you may damage you new batteries!

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24 Jun 2016 05:04 #51021 by Arnold
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Thanks! And for the heads-up on the batteries as well.

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26 Jun 2016 05:34 - 26 Jun 2016 05:37 #51079 by Epitaph
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I think I will end up looking for another point on the MCU to use as a switch for the throttle hold switch in the end... I want to make an FPV car, and I find the most comfortable way to have a non-spring stick on the left side and still have full control of forward and reverse is to make 2 identical channels, with the same input and output (THR, channel 1), and have one with range from 0~100 with throttle hold with the switch down, and the second one with range -100~0 and throttle hold with the switch up. This way, when the switch is up, the negative channel is on throttle hold, the positive channel has hold released and full range... with the switch down, the positive channel will be in throttle hold, and the negative channel released and in full range. This would make it as if the switch is forward and reverse, and the stick is the accelerator. Put the steering either on the rudder stick and a full camera gimbal on the right stick, or put the steering on the aileron stick and use the dial for a pan only gimbal.

Anyway, the case to this thread is I will be looking for another point on the MCU, and when (and if) I have it, I'll be adding it here to the list of mods.

And all this for a $30 toy car I decided to upgrade with hobby grade parts hehehe
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26 Jun 2016 11:00 #51095 by SirDomsen
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You know that PB said you'll have to compile Deviation yourself once the code gets cleaned up? Because your switches in,F7 style won't work anymore then... Just remember this before putting too much work in that ;)

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26 Jun 2016 22:44 #51100 by Epitaph
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i didn't know PB said that, but really, as the firmware is running now I don't have any problems whatsoever, apart from a couple of stupid bugs... but if I have to choose between seeing the missing numbers on the right of the channel monitor, or having extra switches hard wired into the MCU, I think I'll go with the latter. I just really can't see much of an incentive in upgrading to a "cleaner" version if it's really for the say I'm going to use it a downgrade. OK, cleaner, it might fit more model memories on it, but really, I'd rather just have 5 on this, because I'm a girl that doesn't like to put all her eggs in one basket, as in I don't have just one transmitter... I'll only be using it for short range "out on a hike" FPVing, because for more serious things I'd rather use goggles or larger screen groundstation, and a Devo 10.

And really, I see the removing those functions as downgrading personally... it would be like removing the SWA and B switches for the sake of one more protocol...

So, I think it looks like I'll be on board until the "big cleanup". Because for example, my 7E, I'm running with a Nightly from August and I'm not going to upgrade it because I have absolutely no reason to, as it more than covers my needs as it is.

I'm sorry I just don't see it logical to remove hard wired switches from the firmware for the sake of a couple of kilobytes when those switches are extremely useful, same as i wouldn't see it logical to remove for example FMODE and HOLD on the 7E, I mean, they are there!!. If it's code that's not covered in the hardware, fair enough, but these switches are there on the hardware, you just need to do a little soldering.

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27 Jun 2016 00:12 - 27 Jun 2016 00:16 #51101 by Epitaph
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What I have just done is installed the newest version of Deviation for this transmitter, setup the hardware.ini file for the extra switches, set up the added GEAR switch for video default on all models, put the throttle trim back to being a trim, set up a couple of models, added the protocols I need, and then passed it over to the transmitter, calibrated, then extracted that FS file to my computer so it's all ready as the transmitter is now as a backup or one to add models or stuff onto to just copy direct to the transmitter... yeah, the BuildFS program is a bit of an indirect way of doing it compared to having a FAT drove to pass things onto directly, but it's pretty easy once you get the hang of it and find a way that works for you, and it's not like I'm going to be changing things every 2 seconds!!

I can't say it on the long term yet for this build, but it seems to be running smoothly with no glitches, all the switches and channels are working well, and seems to be generally great. I won't be able to comment further on it until I test it further, but this seems like a nice version to have in. I'll see about adding the extra switch, set that up as the throttle hold, and if there are no other hidden problems to discover, then I think I personally, for my needs, will have a definitive Devo F4, because as I said, for more serious FPV days I'd rather get a Devo 10 and goggles/ground station, and this is for just putting into a backpack and going off to have some quick fun.

And if that is so, then I would wish to thank everyone that got into this for their time and dedication, and for turning this transmitter into the best €25 I have ever spent!! I would get more into it to help develop further, but I'm not a developer, a programmer, or anything like that... rewriting my own code?? I can barely make a sketch on my own!! heheheh
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27 Jun 2016 23:37 #51129 by Epitaph
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OK, did a little investigating, and I have found not 1, but 2 more points on the MCU...

I tried again to get the HOLD button to work, and still had no luck with that, but in the process I found where FMODE0 is. If you remember, the green wire on my photos was changing between FMODE1 and FMODE2, and the Devo F7 has a 3 position switch for FMODE, not a 2 position like the Devo 7E. Anyway... it turns out that the MCU pin right next to the FMODE2 one on the right, in other words, the 4th pin from the left on the bottom of the MCU, is for FMODE0. So if you wanted to add another 3 position switch, you would put the 3rd pin to one end of the switch, the middle of the switch to ground, and the 4th pin to the other end of the switch, and this would give you FMODE0 in one end, FMODE1 in the middle, and FMODE2 in the other end. Seeing as I only have a 2 position switch, and I don't need another 3 position, I'm leaving that as it is, but it's there if anyone should need it.

The other pin I found is AIL DR1. This is just a normal 2 position switch that changes the value from AIL DR0 to AIL DR1 the same way GEAR works, by grounding the MCU pin. The pin in question is on the right hand side of the MCU, the second pin from the bottom, right next to GEAR which is the 3rd pin. Because of how close the pins are and how I soldered and stuck GEAR1 into place, I soldered this above and ran the wire on top of the MCU, and then just up to the HOLD switch, putting the throttle connections back to stock in whilst I was doing it. It's just this pin on one end, and the ground connection in the middle, and that's it (orange wire, sorry about the flash).



So now I have my HOLD switch working as a programmable switch, although in the menu it's identified as AIL DR.

Anyway, so in resuming, so far on the MCU, with Deviation 5, we have FMODE0/1/2, GEAR0/1 and AIL DR0/1 identified, all of which are resident to this transmitter... PB can decide if he wants to leave these in the code or not, I would say it's best to leave them in, if he wants to remove the others, then OK, but these are definitely there and are definitely working, and I think it would be a shame to remove them. In fact, he might choose to rename the AIL DR option in the F4 version of Deviation to HOLD so it can be used for that purpose, something which all the Devo range transmitters have, and then just make a new schematic for people that want to add switches with it all renamed. From how I've seen FMODE working as a 3 position switch, I would imagine that MIX works the same way, as MIX0 and MIX2 are on the F7 diagram, but I'm not sure if they are there in the F4, I haven't tried... but if anyone wants to try...

So anyway, the bottom line is 1 new switch has been found, and in the process the "other side" of a previously found switch has been identified, giving one 3-way switch and two 2-way switches directly on the MCU. And the only question I would have for Walkera at this stage would be if they are there, then why on earth did they not add a D/R switch on the transmitter, especially as the original Devention software has the setup option in the menu, but no way of actually switching it in flight!! In fact, I am half tempted to go back to Devention for a moment to test if any of the new switches I have added actually give the F4 Devention software the ability to switch D/R in flight, because if it does, then it might be interesting for those that were on RCGroups saying about the problem and are not interested in Deviation...

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28 Jun 2016 17:36 #51150 by YARIMbe
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Epiteph if I'll take a picture of my F7 motherboard would you be kind enough to help me with getting my mix switch working as it should?
right now I only have 2 positions instead of 3.. someone told me it's possible that the wire is disconnected or something :/
p.s I have tried to change the switch itself to a new one and the problem consists.

tnx

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28 Jun 2016 19:53 #51156 by Epitaph
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We could try if you could take a couple of photos, of the chipset and of the actual switch itself, then I can say "put your multimeter here and here" so we can see if there is any result.

When you say 2 of the 3 positions, which one of those positions doesn't work? As in with the switch in what position, and which in the menu is the one that doesn't activate (MIX0, MIX1 and MIX2)

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29 Jun 2016 00:29 - 29 Jun 2016 04:54 #51160 by Arnold
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Maybe you've seen this video in other threads in the forum. I thought it might be helpful for soldering to those tiny pins on the mcu that Epitaph has recently mentioned.

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29 Jun 2016 15:07 #51175 by Epitaph
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One thing she says in that video that I would definitely NOT recommend is using super glue to glue the wire down. I have repaired so many Playstation consoles which were chipped and the chip was stuck in place with superglue, and with time the superglue has eaten into the board and corroded it!!

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04 Jul 2016 11:37 - 05 Jul 2016 09:54 #51288 by Almeida
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Almeida wrote: Hi im new here does anyone has a good amount of pictures to how install a nrf204l01 module? Im a bit of a zero in electronics and i have a ladybird fpv (came with this devo f4) and a bayangtoys x9 and i would like to use the f4 to control both, deviation aside I might also need a lot of directions in that one.
best regards.
Almeida

Edit: Is this the module to get? www.ebay.com/itm/291747048686?_trksid=p2...e=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT



Hi just received the nrf204l01 module, i´ve atached a pic of my devo f4 internals, can anyone help how to connect the module to the pins i tagged with 1 to 10?
thank you

https://meocloud.pt/link/7e5f9305-1100-44fd-a968-aa96d9eaa6a8/Devo%20f4.jpg/

meocloud.pt/link/7e5f9305-1100-44fd-a968...aa6a8/Devo%20f4.jpg/

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04 Jul 2016 14:57 #51295 by djtrance
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Hi,
This weekend I has restarted to work on the devo F7 GUi.
How I say before there are a lot of work to do on the GUI.
But I need to do a list with the more important things that I must to do.

what do you think that is more important for the gui?

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05 Jul 2016 13:26 #51315 by Epitaph
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Almeida wrote:

Almeida wrote: Hi im new here does anyone has a good amount of pictures to how install a nrf204l01 module? Im a bit of a zero in electronics and i have a ladybird fpv (came with this devo f4) and a bayangtoys x9 and i would like to use the f4 to control both, deviation aside I might also need a lot of directions in that one.
best regards.
Almeida

Edit: Is this the module to get? www.ebay.com/itm/291747048686?_trksid=p2...e=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT



Hi just received the nrf204l01 module, i´ve atached a pic of my devo f4 internals, can anyone help how to connect the module to the pins i tagged with 1 to 10?
thank you

https://meocloud.pt/link/7e5f9305-1100-44fd-a968-aa96d9eaa6a8/Devo%20f4.jpg/

meocloud.pt/link/7e5f9305-1100-44fd-a968...aa6a8/Devo%20f4.jpg/



Using the photo you gave and the one from hackmods for installing it on the 7E, here's the diagram of how it should be wired up... just follow the coloured dots. One thing to remember, this is set up for the nRF module to be present on A13. If you need it to be on A14, then change the yellow solder point (CSN) from the from the TMS point to the TCK point which is next to it on the left.

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05 Jul 2016 14:41 #51316 by Almeida
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Thank you very much, it's the first one i will try to install so gonna use the tms. Thank you once more.

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05 Jul 2016 18:12 #51322 by SirDomsen
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djtrance wrote: Hi,
This weekend I has restarted to work on the devo F7 GUi.
How I say before there are a lot of work to do on the GUI.
But I need to do a list with the more important things that I must to do.

what do you think that is more important for the gui?


Thanks for asking!

I would say the most important thing is to get the last column to work properly. Its kind of bad if you can't see your channel,values in,channel monitor or see the correct battery voltage, because after voltage changes, you only get the value before the point. The second thing might be the correct cleanout of the last row.

Everything more than that (like mixer curves and such stuff) would be amazing but not necessary imho.

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05 Jul 2016 18:32 #51323 by djtrance
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can you send a picture?

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05 Jul 2016 18:33 #51324 by djtrance
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can you send a picture?

SirDomsen wrote:

djtrance wrote: Hi,
This weekend I has restarted to work on the devo F7 GUi.
How I say before there are a lot of work to do on the GUI.
But I need to do a list with the more important things that I must to do.

what do you think that is more important for the gui?


Thanks for asking!

I would say the most important thing is to get the last column to work properly. Its kind of bad if you can't see your channel,values in,channel monitor or see the correct battery voltage, because after voltage changes, you only get the value before the point. The second thing might be the correct cleanout of the last row.

Everything more than that (like mixer curves and such stuff) would be amazing but not necessary imho.

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05 Jul 2016 19:21 #51327 by Epitaph
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djtrance wrote: can you send a picture?


Here is the column problem, best seen in the channel monitor. Every value on the left is fully visible, but all the values on the right are out of range basically. So you can see the first number of the value of the channels on the right if they are positive, or just the negative sign when they are negative... the rest of the text is out of the screen.



The row issue seems to be affecting the last row. Basically, the text that is displayed on the last row stays there no matter where you go, until a new line of text comes up to replace it. So this way, we end up for example with 2 stray letters in the main screen between the horizontal trim sliders, or text from a previous screen mixed with text with the new screen.

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